In this episode of the Leadership Caffeine podcast, I have the pleasure of talking with Julie Winkle Giulioni, co-author with Beverly Kaye of the book Help Them Grow or Watch Them Go (second edition), and a sought after speaker, consultant, and trainer.

Julie’s insights on developing employees and the framework, approaches, and tools she and her co-author have built into the book are spot-on for today’s workplace, and frankly liberating for overwhelmed managers everywhere. In my words, their approaches are akin to agile meets design thinking meets employee development!

Of the many great observations, my favorite quote that sums up their employee development philosophy: “Career development boils down to conversations.

One of the incredible benefits of interviewing great people is the opportunity I have to learn from them. I guarantee you will enjoy hearing and learning from Julie Winkle Giulioni as she shares a steady stream of insights and guidance on the important topic of developing others!

Enjoy the audio or video versions and check out the show notes below for highlights!

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Show Highlights:

Julie shares why the changing workplace motivated her and her co-author decided to tackle a second edition of their popular book. (0:55)

Where many managers go wrong developing employees. (3:30)

The difference in developing people as a human resources activity versus a human activity. (5:10)

Why your career path isn’t necessarily a “ladder” anymore. (6:50)

Art and Julie propose to ban the question, “Where do you see yourself in five years?” (8:50)

From “What do you want to be?” to “What do you want to do?” (10:00)

Julie shares thoughts on their framework of Hindsight, Foresight, and the merging of the two into Insight. (10:30)

The mind-shift you need as a leader on developing employees. Hint: the employee owns their career. The manager owns creating the conversations. (13:30)

How important reciprocal trust is to the development process. (15:50)

Should the manager engineer experiences for the employees? (17:50)

One and done development discussions are just done. Instead, shift to short, frequent conversations over time. Professional development as a subscription? (19:15)

How a manager should get started in leveling up the development support of their employees. (24:30)

Yes, there’s an app for this! (26:25)

How to deal with the number one issue managers complain about: “I don’t have enough time to do this.” (27:40)

How Julie helps bring these coaching concepts to life in client organizations. (29:15)

The feedback: “We simplify what is overwhelming and complex.” (30:00)

What Julie learned from her work on the second edition. (31:30)